Thursday, November 8, 2007

Democracy countdown?

This is my first time hearing this. I don't listen to 99% of the political banter out there and I insta-delete these e-mails. But I found this one interesting and decided I would really like to get some other people's opinions about it. Some of these points made sounded very valid. Tell me what you think:

HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their newconstitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor atthe University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of theAthenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier: "A democracy is alwaystemporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form ofgovernment. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time thatvoters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from thepublic treasury."From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates whopromise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the resultthat every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,which is always followed by a dictatorship."

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from thebeginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage

"Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul,Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000 Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory that Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of thisgreat country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of ProfessorTyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

**edit by jamyhawk. This last line made me question if any of the rest of the items were true. I know that the states carried was 30-20 per wikipedia, but a political statement at the end made me think the rest of the story could be bent to appear any way they want it to. I decided to check it out on snopes and found this: CLICK HERE.

I should have deleted 100% of those emails instead of 99%.

3 comments:

President Dave said...

Hey Jamy,
It does appear this is tailored towards the illegal immigrant controversy while using a weak basis of support. I do agree though that the number of people dependant on government is alarming. The fact is both parties are now so dependant upon trying to spend as much as they can to promote their causes. For liberals it is social(ist) programs like healthcare, the environment and illegal immigration. For republicans (who quite frankly should know better, but have become complacent in Washington), their inability to reduce the size of the federal government, fix social security and reduce more taxes is enough to make me question their leadership into the future. The fact remains taht whether that model is right, it is eerily similar to what we are doing right now. Perhaps with the amount of technology afforded to us in this age we can change for the better, but I have my doubts that our society can rebound without a serious overhaul in the political game today as well as the social systems that encourage laziness and dependence. Great post and its good to see you checked out the sources when some of the facts came out wrong. I hope for everyone's sake that our country is no where near the end and we can fix what we need to, in order to keep advancing.

4dbirds said...

Jamy, this doesn't make any sense.
"Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory that Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of thisgreat country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Land doesn't vote, people do. Who cares if the land mass of the states Bush won is larger in size than the land mass Gore won. Its a nonissue. What is he saying? People who choose to live in cities live in tenements and exist on welfare? That is just crazy and not true. Also the average person receiving government assistance is white and rural. In fact, the federal government takes more in taxes from states like New York, California, New Jersey than it gives out in services. The exact opposite is true of states like Mississippi, Alabama and Kentucky. The federal government GIVES more in services than it takes in. How can it do that if all the tenement living people in "Gore" states are on welfare?

Oh an despite what PD says social security doesn't need fixing. Its doing ok and any tweaks it needs are just that, tweaks. Robert M. Ball, who knows a thing or two about social security explains why here. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/28/AR2007102801150.html

Riggstad said...

I love Politics! and the ridiculousness that follows when people try to get you to see their side.

the bottom line is, and I firmly believe this, is that it is in our (the people's) hands.

The problem with that is the apathy and ignorance people take when it comes to voting. The percentages are almost stupid. This is our most important freedom that we have, and it goes almost ignored by a huge portion of the population.

We ultimately will decide our fate as a people, and the US will turn to civil war again before it lets it become a dictatorship.

I know, both crazy assumptions, but which is more extreme?